Issue 53523 - add support for side headings (sidehead)
Summary: add support for side headings (sidehead)
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.0.0
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 4 votes (vote)
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: 63142 (view as issue list)
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Reported: 2005-08-19 06:53 UTC by tooo
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:35 UTC (History)
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Description tooo 2005-08-19 06:53:46 UTC
Side headings (sidehead) are headings placed left (or right) to the regular text
with the next paragraph on the same line. Side headings differ from run-in
headings (#39582) in their vertical alignment.

Example Side Heading:

            1. REGULAR HEADING

            Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

  SIDE HEAD Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.


            2. ANOTHER REGULAR HEADING

       LONG Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
  SIDE HEAD bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

   PATHETIC Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
  SIDE HEAD 
            Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
            bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
Comment 1 michael.ruess 2005-08-19 08:07:19 UTC
Currently you have to solve this via Frames. Insert a frame via "Insert.Frame"
menu and place it in the page border. Now fill it with the desired Heading
content & format.

An automatism for this could be helpful -> reassigned to requirements
Comment 2 tooo 2005-08-19 09:48:47 UTC
Frames do not work properly.

There are a few workarounds for getting the text laid out as in the example
above. But none of the workarounds are practical for daily work with a document.
None of the workarounds I have tried (frames, tables, columns) allow to use the
Navigator (F5) to rearrange sections with side heads. The Navigator is a very
powerful feature and major advantage over framemaker.

Additionally, frames do not support the "PATHETIC SIDE HEAD" of the example.
While called "pathetic", this happens unfortunately quite often. So, I do not
believe frames to be the proper approach.

It rather should be possible to have several paragraphs side by side. It looks
like in OOo a sequence of paragraphs must vertically always be laid out one
after the other. To me, the problem of side headings looks quite similar to
run-in headings (Bug 39582). The difference being the left and right borders,
which are the same for run-in headings and are horizontally one next to the
other for side heads.
Comment 3 michael.ruess 2006-03-14 09:23:10 UTC
*** Issue 63142 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 4 tooo 2006-04-05 06:38:07 UTC
Note: The pathetic example given above is probably not precise enough and
misleading. The issue with "pathetic headings" are side headings which take two
lines for following paragraphs which take only one line. Any following
paragraphs must of course be vertically not overlap with the "pathetic heading". 

 PATHETIC Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
SIDE HEAD 

SIDE HEAD Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
          bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

 PATHETIC Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
SIDE HEAD 
          New bla bla paragraph without
          side heading bla bla bla bla bla.

Note: The example (restricted somehow by the possibilities of ASCII art) shall
not imply, that the vertical spacing between a pathetic side heading followed by
another side heading is greater or different than the vertical spacing between a
pathetic side heading and a new paragraph following the paragraph after the
pathetic side heading. The vertical spacing is according to the paragraphs'
definitions.
Comment 5 bobharvey 2006-06-09 20:14:10 UTC
Hmm.  Not sure that last example shouldn't look more like:
 PATHETIC Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
SIDE HEAD 

          New bla bla paragraph without
          side heading bla bla bla bla bla.


That said, I think that this, and the run-in headers, really need to to be 
done, and done well.  One aspect that wants addressing is what happens to 
asymettric margins on facing page sets.  Would the side heading go over to the 
right hand side of right hand pages?

SIDE HEAD fred fred fred | nellie nellie
          fred fred fred | nellie nellie
          jock jock jock |
          jock jock jock | fred fred fred SIDE HEAD
          mary mary mary | fred fred fred

Comment 6 tooo 2006-06-09 21:05:12 UTC
You are probably correct regarding my sample for the PATHETIC SIDE HEAD: The
vertical positioning of the paragraph following the paragraph with the side head
is probably something like the maximum spacing between the two paragraphs and
the second paragraph and the side head.

For our purpose the SIDE HEAD would stay on the left also in a mirrored setup.
Reading left to right, top down, the heading would suddenly follow its text,
which seems bizarre to me. We definitly want side heads always to the left.
Others might have different requirements.
Comment 7 tooo 2006-06-26 13:28:50 UTC
Adobe Framemaker offers the following settings for alignment of side headings:

* The horizontal alignment is part of the column layout and allows to define the
width of the side headings and the space to the main text of the column.
Additionally, the side heads can be placed to the left or to the right of the
column including closer to or away from the binding side.

* The vertical alignment is defined by the paragraph following the side heading:
first line, last line, top edge.