Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 15379
Add ability to resize inserted pics (save pics with reduced resolution)
Last modified: 2019-04-06 06:35:31 UTC
It looks like the default is to save the original pic with the file in it's original size even if the object is shrunken to fit on the page or within the text Is there (or could there be) an option that would allow the pic file size to be automatically reduced on a file save to the size actually used in the document? We do a lot of pics in reports and having this as an automatic step (instead of doing it prior to inserting the pic) would be really helpful, it would save having to use an image editor and have new staff learn how to use an image editor just to reduce pic size prior to inserting Maybe have this ability available in two spots, one as a (redefine image) button on the toolbar so individual pics could be altered, and secondly, a checkbox in the save as dialog (and/or as a user preference) to convert all of the pics in the document
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Hi, Marked issue 15380 as duplicate of this issue. Kelvin
I would think this would be an improvement, but would like to see it only as an option on Save or Save As, as I have a need for full-size graphics but, when sending material to others, the full-size graphics simply eat up too much bandwidth.
SBA: Reassigned to Bettina from the User Experience team for consideration.
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resize is misleading. change to crop.
Hi, Just a bit of feedback on the change of the summary for this issue. I think using the word crop in the summary completely changes the meaning of this issue as nothing has been mentioned about cropping pictures in the issue. Crop is a specific function available in OOo. Resizing I tend to think of as the general resizing of the image by dragging the handles of the image or using the dialogue. Issue 15378 is about providing the ability to store the cropped image in the document instead of the original image. Hope this feedback helps. Kelvin
Ah, I see, sorry for that -> changing back. But this RFE would mean changing the resolution of the source-image. I certainly don't want OOo's wordprocessor to do that, and I think that this will get closed wontfix, but I don't do the decisions...
Hi, I appreciate your point of view and that is why I would like the feature to be an option. For example, the option to right click on a picture and adjust resolution for the resized picture. If I didn't select the option I would still want the Word Processer to keep the original picture as it currently in theory does. (Others from the comments in this issue would like to operate differently and a range of ideas is good.) For myself (as a techo person) I nearly always create the picture close to what I want using products such as Gimp and then perform a minor resize if required. This takes a number of steps and thus takes time. Example: Picture from a digital camera (1600x1200 - 1.67MB) inserted into Writer document. Resize to a quarter of the original size and the resulting saved document is 1.67MB in size. Picture from a digital camera (1600x1200 - 1.67MB), Resize and save using Gimp to a quarter of the size (400x300 - 39.8KB). Insert into Writer document and the resulting document is 39.8KB. This is just for a single picture. Think about what happens when people insert 5-10 pictures and how big the document becomes. The document in the second instance is all that is required sometimes and saves enormously in transfer time and storage. (In my case I would always store the original image separate to the document so that it could be used in different ways.) Whether it will be fixed or not is not a concern to me at least. It is after all a request for enhancement to be considered with the many ideas received. The productivity gain for end users by being able to perform such an action within the package is worth considering. Thanks for your time. I hope this further information helps a little more. Kelvin
I think kelvine has added a good explanation. We use digital camera pictures in reports. The jpg from the digital camera is usually around 400-600 kB We routinely insert a number of pictures into the reports. We currently reduce the resolution for the pics before adding them into the doc so that the doc doesn't get too big (ie over 3 MB) .. but it would be convenient to be able to skip that additional step and have the word processor do it for us. Please note that I never asked it to be a default action. I think an option that would apply to the current document only would be the best solution. I suggest that adding a checkbox to the saveas dialog be considered to flag the current doc with reduced resolution pics. I understand that oo.org includes a copy of the original image within the zipped oo.org data file, so saving a reduced resolution image should not actually affect the original source image.
I couldn't agree more with this issue. Here at work we handle reports which contain lots of pictures in them. Right now, we have to first resize the images to a size that is manageable and then insert them to the report. The problem is that it's not always a first time to the solution situation. That is, sometimes some iterations are necessary to get to the desired result. Storing the file isn't actually a problem because we all know storage is cheap nowadays. However, managing a 25 meg file (after pasting some 35 pictures) is just impossible even with a decent machine IMHO this would be a great option in Openoffice.org. And now that we're talking compatibility with MS-O, Word has exactly this option in the save-as dialog.
reassigning, setting keyword according to new RFE-eval process. (see summary)
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I made suggestion 55061 not for the Word Processor component but for the framework. I think this is even more of an issue in presentations than in documents.
G'day all, This is a very important issue, especially where the final result is to be included as website content, either HTML or as say a presentation. Therfore it applies to not only Writer but virtually all components of OO. First of all let me state that I have no time for Microsoft and a very, very big fan of OpenOffice.org . I would dearly love for more of my clients to use OpenOffice.org, also helping it to mushroom. Unfortunately Microsoft are ahead on the graphics resampling issue. Saving a document (created with Word) as HTML conveniently results in a sub-directory (sub-folder) with resampled versions of the images. It's then easy for even the least technically-minded of my clients who maintain their own pages with Word to upload the htm as well as the folder of resampled images. Microsoft also have an option in PowerPoint to resample inserted images, thus reducing the size of the presentation. As digital camera images become bigger by default, and many users don't understand file sizes, adequate image resolution etc the problem is only getting worse. Perhaps Writer etc should do the resample (down) automatically but could record the original image source location in case of the user wanting to resize the image up again at any point. Fair enough the original image would not be accessable if the document is emailed, uploaded etc but the document should in that case be layed out as the author intended for others to see it (ala PDF). The author would normally still have access to the original (and the recorded link in the source document to the original graphics file). At worst, if the graphics file was moved, the author would just have to re-insert it IF they wanted to resize upward again. As someone else pointed out, this is a great opportuninty to get ahead of MS. Ken Anderson, Brisbane, Australia.
I think this needs some thought. There are obvious benefits, but also obvious problems. Every time an image is resized it gets degraded. What happens if the user changes his/her mind about how big the image needs to be on the page after resizing it? What if the user doesn't understand that the images need to be resized or how to do it? Let's try to make it automatic, but also easily reversible. Maybe something along these lines could be made to work. • If an image is more than a 100K (or a size definable in program options), a low resolution copy (96 dpi at the placed size) is automatically generated and embedded in the document for display purposes. This makes documents smaller, quicker to load and save, etc. • If the user resizes a placed image, a new low-resolution image is generated from the original linked image and embedded in the document. • If the linked image is missing when the document is loaded, a dialogue warns the user of this and asks if he/she wishes to browse to find it. It is then linked again from its new location. • At print time, or when generating a PDF file, the user is offered an option to use the high resolution images or the low resolution (96 dpi) embedded copies. • Maybe we also need an option to change the default dpi for embedded low-resolution images. Some might want maximum speed so 48 dpi thumbnails would be good enough, while others might want to place images at 300 dpi ready for printing.
Created attachment 33649 [details] Import Picture Dialogue from Page Plus
The attached image shows the import picture dialogue from Serif Page Plus 11. If the file is large, the link picture radio button is checked. If the file is small, the embed picture radio button is checked. "Place at 96 dpi" does not resample the image, it just resizes it on the page. If it 1600 x 1200 pixels it will be placed at about 16" x 12" Open Office could have an option to "Place at full resolution", but with "Place at xx dpi" as the default, were xx is the user's default setting.
I've just seen pesala's suggestion from January - I think that is a fantastic idea, and would really grab the headlines. But, as I said above, this is not just about WP but presentations, drawings, and spreadsheets too.
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I think this should be assigned to a different component from "Word processor", For example this feature is available from MS powerpoint: http://www.dent.unc.edu/depts/admin/cedi/IT_files/Tutorial_Materials/CompressPPTimages.htm
Hi, I think this is a MAJOR need of OpenOffice because: - Nowdays most of mailboxes can't send attached files bigger than 5Mo. - Current cameras and scanners usually make pictures bigger than 1Mo by default. - In Office docs, people (nearly) never zoom on inserted pictures; inserted picture resolution is just needed for printing or screen display. First please have a look at MS Office's "Picture" toolbar (in Word but also Excel and Powerpoint): http://mol-webdev4.princeton.edu/it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=36 In 2 clicks, you can optimize the size of ALL your inserted pictures! I really think this possibility should be added in OO Writer, Calc and Draw. I see 2 different ways to implement it: (1) In the "Picture toolbar" like in MSoffice (2) and as an option (or pop-up option) if there are more than 2Mo inserted pictures when the user saves his document. As Pesala accurately wrote in this thread, the resized picture gets degraded and the user can change his mind: so what? Like for any other change, the user can create a file backup! (ok to warn the user at 1st use). Remarks: -Issue 15378 (compress cropped pictures) should be inserted in this topic, and it is well processed by MS Office picture toolbar. -A "crop" button on the "picture" toolbar like in MSoffice would be very appreciated. I hope this will help making OO better! Thank you Yann
Created attachment 62229 [details] Example Compress and Cop Image Dialog from Excel
I agree with accentwd, that this feature should apply to all components of OpenOffice, as either a save as or export option. Please refer to my attached as example of how this is done in other Office Suites.
This should be filed in the framework component. How can we request an admin to change the component tag?
It is the lack of this kind of thing which makes pushing for OOo in my school really difficult. I have trouble enough getting other teachers (or any staff for that matter) and students to resize images in MS Office (which is actually *really easy*) so having to teach them to resize images outside of the app? Ridiculous. Really - we want to be a *great* office suite? Then we need to pay attention to the little things like this. Also - compressing images (like the -- I shudder to say it -- MS way) should be across the entire suite. It's time we start thinking about the user experience and remember that a lot of people (read anyone who isn't a developer) don't want to have to think to do something that should be simple and intuitive.
Recently (bah, a week ago), all the machines in the place I work in (30, more or less ) changed from office to openoffice. In my department, Edition, we used almost all the features Office gave concerning charts, tables and image proccesing. Openoffice resulted to be a great tool for the work we do. It will cost, course, because we change all concerning format: paragraphs, references, heading, tables, charts, images, colours in tables and characters, and lots more. The option of rezising images like word did would help me (and all my department, course) to work faster and easier, because we don´t count with great machines, and sometimes I have to manage files of 60 or 70 mb. It´s not a negociable thing, because the other departments are not easy to argue with about the image resizing before inserting in odt files. And when you work with files sent from the outside of my company, there´s no "resize-before-insert" option, specially when they are not even in openoffice format. However, this is my particular case.
Also, if I use bitmap which dpi not set to 300 in bullets graphic it's size greater than expected in Writer.
Does anybody know if it exists an OOo extension to resize inserted pics ? (I recently saw there are some for issue 3545, image crop and rotation, for example)
FYI, there is this "Sun Presentation Minimizer" extension: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/PresentationMinimizer for Impress. Maybe it would be possible to adapt its source (http://graphics.openoffice.org/source/browse/graphics/sdext/source/minimizer/) to make it work with Writer ?
save pictures with their attributes
I agree that this is an issue that should be addressed if OOo is going to seriously exist as an alternative to MS Word. Many people in the office write reports and add pictures but do not know how to reduce picture image resolutions. Even in MS office 2003 it is quite difficult to do and as a result it is difficult to get less tech-savvy users to compress images in a document. However, if using MS word at least I can always reduce after I receive reports. Senior management has multiple offices and share reports between us by using a yahoo mail group. However, max attachment is 1mb. Hence, reports need to have images compressed before I can send to our management team. Including a "compress resolution to screen 96 dpi / print 200 dpi" etc ala MS Word is a must. Including in the picture toolbar would make things very easy.
This issue was first raised in 2003. The fact that this is a common issue across discussion boards, that there are duplicates of this, should be an indication that this is a needed feature. As someone who has used and promoted OpenOffice.org to friends for ten years now, it makes me sad and embarrassed that this is not the first time I've discovered a request for a feature bogged down for years with discussions of "I don't need this, OOo isn't photoshop/firefox/eudora/linux". Not everyone that uses OpenOffice.org is 'leet enough to save a picture, edit it, resize, save it, import it. But even if they were, why should they, when their workflow could be copy, paste? Isn't making things easier what the personal computer is about?
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I'd like to vote for this issue but the vote link doesn't seem to work with me. Anyway, I think this would be a very useful feature. Even if not in the main software, it would be great to be able to add it as a plugin, like the Oracle Presentation Minimizer for Impress.
You can try PixCompress. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/fr/project/PixCompress This extension compress embedded pictures in your Writer documents.
This is a really important issue to fix. I provide support to a number of users who use Writer to document notes and photographs of sessions held with clients. They add 30-40 pictures and being relatively naive users, they are unable to compress pictures before inserting. As this about using the document on a daily basis over a two week period, it is important to be able to edit and add material. At 30Mb the files become completely unusable. Regards to all who commented.
ALG: Adding me to CC.
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I like the image compression function in libre office, works great, exactly what I am looking for in Open Office.
Pix compress does not work it creat a file of 48mb, it was 10mb! The libre office image compression function creates a file of 8mb from 40mb... It looks like an old request.. where is the santa wish list of AOO? Can you put it on that list?
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I wrote a tiny Kotlin (JVM) GPL application, which provides a convenient workaround for this situation. What it does: 1. unzips the document to a temporary directory 2. resizes the large images to a specified, maximum resolution, preserving the aspect ratio 3. re-zips the archive into a quasi copy of the original document https://github.com/hoijui/LibreOfficeImageOptimizer