Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 120585
when decrease indent for bullet,the bullet will go out of page range.
Last modified: 2012-08-24 04:40:14 UTC
build info:OOo-dev3.4.1_r1354891 steps: 1.launch oo and new a text document 2.input many line text and apply one type bullet 3.click "Decrease indent"button in toolbar the bullet will go out of page range,but in Micro Soft 2003 word,it not.suggest fix it as a enhancement for more good user experience of AOO.
move my comments from 120236. Oliver, Weike & Du Jing, I have several questions regarding to this issue: 1. Is it valid for negative value to appear as left margin according to ODF standard or MS binary or OOXML standard? IMO, This question belong to interoperability/fidelity. 2. I agree with Oliver that we need UX recommendation on the behavior. We should know in which situation the negative value will appear. And will it be any situation that users really EXPECT the negative value? 3. If the answer to 1. is NO, it will be a tolerant question on how should we handle the unexpected negative value. (also need UX recommendation) Thanks! And added related developers and UX to cc list.
Hi all, Another phenomenon is that when increasing the indentation the text will not go outside the right bound. So from my personal point of view, the negative left margin is not permitted. And in the meanwhile I welcome more discussion from every side.
While I'm not qualified to speak to the validity of negative or positive bullet margin values within the specification, I feel I can comment on the user experience. Conceptually, here is how I see the bullet margins relative to the page element. I feel the page margins define a canvas within which a document author can capture and organize their thoughts and ideas. I see bullets or numbered lists as a formatting action that help an author structure the information design of their document. Indentation of bullets and numbered lists is an additional positional formatting action that assists in establishing a visual and information hierarchy for the content. From a user experience and usability perspective, I feel that we should provide user control and freedom to increase or decrease the indentation of bullets within the available, margin-defined area. This will allow a user to use bullets and indentation in combination to structure their information - which is the main goal. Our design solution should also be mindful to prevent errors, or prevent the user from entering a state which does not support their formatting goals or information design goals. Bullets extending off the page (either negative or positive), may create a situation where the user is unable to understand the system status, as the content is not visible, and where is may be difficult to recover. In summary, I would recommend - that we keep the bullets within the margin-defined document work area - that we allow the user to position the bullets anywhere within this area, but not beyond (negative, nor positive) Keep it simple, keep it predictable. -