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  1. Hadoop Common
  2. HADOOP-1984

some reducer stuck at copy phase and progress extremely slowly

    Details

    • Type: Bug
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Critical
    • Resolution: Fixed
    • Affects Version/s: 0.16.0
    • Fix Version/s: 0.16.0
    • Component/s: None
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      Description

      In many cases, some reducers got stuck at copy phase, progressing extremely slowly.
      The entire cluster seems doing nothing. This causes a very bad long tails of otherwise well tuned map/red jobs.

      1. HADOOP-1984.patch
        3 kB
        Amar Kamat
      2. HADOOP-1984-simple.patch
        7 kB
        Amar Kamat
      3. HADOOP-1984-simple.patch
        7 kB
        Amar Kamat
      4. HADOOP-1984-simple.patch
        6 kB
        Amar Kamat

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        runping Runping Qi added a comment -

        The status of the stucked reducer:
        reduce > copy (778 of 779 at 0.20 MB/s) >

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        runping Runping Qi added a comment - The status of the stucked reducer: reduce > copy (778 of 779 at 0.20 MB/s) >
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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment -

        -1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment
        http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12368662/HADOOP-1984.patch
        against trunk revision r589879.

        @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags.

        javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages.

        javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings.

        findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings.

        core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests.

        contrib tests -1. The patch failed contrib unit tests.

        Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/testReport/
        Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html
        Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html
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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment - -1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12368662/HADOOP-1984.patch against trunk revision r589879. @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags. javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages. javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings. findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings. core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests. contrib tests -1. The patch failed contrib unit tests. Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/testReport/ Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html Console output: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1027/console This message is automatically generated.
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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment -

        Ant test passed on my system. This error is due to the hase test TestRegionServerExit.


        The change here is the backoff function used for retrying when the map output fetch fails. Currently we are using 60 + random(0,300) sec as the backoff interval. By using exponential backoff the penalty for first few backoffs is not much but then for the later ones the penalty is huge. The initial backoff is 2 sec and the function is

        backoff (n) = init_value * base^(n-1)
        n = no of retries
        base is set to 2
        init_value is set to 2 sec
        

        Any suggestions on the formulation of the backoff algorithm and the initial values ?

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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment - Ant test passed on my system. This error is due to the hase test TestRegionServerExit . The change here is the backoff function used for retrying when the map output fetch fails. Currently we are using 60 + random(0,300) sec as the backoff interval. By using exponential backoff the penalty for first few backoffs is not much but then for the later ones the penalty is huge. The initial backoff is 2 sec and the function is backoff (n) = init_value * base^(n-1) n = no of retries base is set to 2 init_value is set to 2 sec Any suggestions on the formulation of the backoff algorithm and the initial values ?
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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment -

        +1

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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment - +1
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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment -

        +1

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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment - +1
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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment -

        oops, -1 it doesn't add the current time.

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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment - oops, -1 it doesn't add the current time.
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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment -

        Oh, Owen is right of course... Amar could you please fix it and submit a new patch?

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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment - Oh, Owen is right of course... Amar could you please fix it and submit a new patch?
        Hide
        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment -

        Oops ! Even i missed that.

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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment - Oops ! Even i missed that.
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        szetszwo Tsz Wo Nicholas Sze added a comment -

        Do we need to check overflow? It is relatively easy to get overflow error in exponential functions.

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        szetszwo Tsz Wo Nicholas Sze added a comment - Do we need to check overflow? It is relatively easy to get overflow error in exponential functions.
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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment -

        Ok, after some more thought...

        Initial back-off of 2s is too aggressive - it means that it only takes 5 failures in 1minute (2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 = 62s) to send a fetch-failure notification to the JT (see HADOOP-1158) and thus doesn't sufficiently account for transient problems faced by the tasktracker's jetty (tt on which the map ran).

        I propose we peg the starting back-off at 8s which means that it takes approximately 4mins for one notification to be sent to the JT i.e. (8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 = 249s).

        Also, we need to maintain a per-host fetch-failure count since the penaltyBox is also maintained on a per-host basis.

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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment - Ok, after some more thought... Initial back-off of 2s is too aggressive - it means that it only takes 5 failures in 1minute (2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 = 62s) to send a fetch-failure notification to the JT (see HADOOP-1158 ) and thus doesn't sufficiently account for transient problems faced by the tasktracker's jetty (tt on which the map ran). I propose we peg the starting back-off at 8s which means that it takes approximately 4mins for one notification to be sent to the JT i.e. (8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 = 249s). Also, we need to maintain a per-host fetch-failure count since the penaltyBox is also maintained on a per-host basis.
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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment -

        how about using:

        4 ** n = 4, 16, 64, 256, 1024
        sum = 1364s = ~22.5 minutes

        That will allow a task tracker that is being pounded by a large cluster to catch up before the reduce is killed.

        Although those jumps are big enough that it probably makes sense to add enough randomness to make the intervals overlap, so how about?

        4**n * rand(0.5, 2.0)

        which would let each round of backoffs meet the round before and after it.

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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment - how about using: 4 ** n = 4, 16, 64, 256, 1024 sum = 1364s = ~22.5 minutes That will allow a task tracker that is being pounded by a large cluster to catch up before the reduce is killed. Although those jumps are big enough that it probably makes sense to add enough randomness to make the intervals overlap, so how about? 4**n * rand(0.5, 2.0) which would let each round of backoffs meet the round before and after it.
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        runping Runping Qi added a comment -

        Ten minutes waiting interval seems too much.
        When the interval reach a few minutes, it does not
        need to be doubled for the next try.
        If one has to wait for 10+ minutes for a map-output,
        it may be better off to re-execute the mapper on other nodes
        Re-executing a mapper usually takes less than 10 minutes.

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        runping Runping Qi added a comment - Ten minutes waiting interval seems too much. When the interval reach a few minutes, it does not need to be doubled for the next try. If one has to wait for 10+ minutes for a map-output, it may be better off to re-execute the mapper on other nodes Re-executing a mapper usually takes less than 10 minutes.
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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment -

        That will allow a task tracker that is being pounded by a large cluster to catch up before the reduce is killed.

        and

        Ten minutes waiting interval seems too much.

        are conflicting requirements, basically they depend on the job-characteristics.

        To get around this, I propose we factor in the number of maps in the job into the back-off calculations... thoughts?

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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment - That will allow a task tracker that is being pounded by a large cluster to catch up before the reduce is killed. and Ten minutes waiting interval seems too much. are conflicting requirements, basically they depend on the job-characteristics. To get around this, I propose we factor in the number of maps in the job into the back-off calculations... thoughts?
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        runping Runping Qi added a comment -

        It will be really helpful if we know the overall job progress status,
        and health state of the node hosting the map output.

        If there are still a lot of pending mappers (and thus,
        each reducer gets many map outputs copied in each pass in shuffling),
        it is OK to wait for a long time for some map outputs
        However, if the concerned map outputs are the only ones that the reducer
        is trying to get, then it makes more sense to re-execute the mappers
        than waiting for 10 minutes.

        Also, if we know the node holding the concernec map outputs has some other tasks
        and those tasks are making healthy progress, it should be OK for waiting for a little long.
        However, if the node does not have any tasks running on it, or the tasks on the node
        do not make progress, it is better to start re-execute earlier than waiting for a long period.

        In particular, in the case I ran into, the concerned node was KNOWN to be in bad shape,
        and was BLACKLISTED, thus, it did not have any tasks running on it. In this case,
        it is clear that it is much better to re-execute the mappers earlier than waiting for the map
        outputs from that node.

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        runping Runping Qi added a comment - It will be really helpful if we know the overall job progress status, and health state of the node hosting the map output. If there are still a lot of pending mappers (and thus, each reducer gets many map outputs copied in each pass in shuffling), it is OK to wait for a long time for some map outputs However, if the concerned map outputs are the only ones that the reducer is trying to get, then it makes more sense to re-execute the mappers than waiting for 10 minutes. Also, if we know the node holding the concernec map outputs has some other tasks and those tasks are making healthy progress, it should be OK for waiting for a little long. However, if the node does not have any tasks running on it, or the tasks on the node do not make progress, it is better to start re-execute earlier than waiting for a long period. In particular, in the case I ran into, the concerned node was KNOWN to be in bad shape, and was BLACKLISTED, thus, it did not have any tasks running on it. In this case, it is clear that it is much better to re-execute the mappers earlier than waiting for the map outputs from that node.
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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment -

        Sorry, I should have been more clear: the proposal I had in mind takes into account the total number of maps for the job and the number of complete, yet fetch-pending maps... does that help?

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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment - Sorry, I should have been more clear: the proposal I had in mind takes into account the total number of maps for the job and the number of complete, yet fetch-pending maps... does that help?
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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment -

        After some corridor discussion between me, Arun and Amar, here are some thoughts:
        1) The task completion event has an additional field that says how much time a given map took to complete.

        2) The longer the map completion time, the more we delay the feedback about it (in case reducers fail to fetch) to the JobTracker. That is, the killing of maps is not based on the number of times the attempt to fetch failed, but instead dependent on the time the map will take to run if reexecuted.

        3) For example, if a map takes 30 minutes to run, and the fetch for the corresponding output fails, a reduce postpones giving the feedback to the JobTracker until it has tried for 15 minutes or so (exponential backoff within this time interval). In other words, we increase the number of retries for long running maps just so that we might be successful in fetching probabilistically. The time a reduce spends retrying is directly proportional to the time the map took to complete.

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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment - After some corridor discussion between me, Arun and Amar, here are some thoughts: 1) The task completion event has an additional field that says how much time a given map took to complete. 2) The longer the map completion time, the more we delay the feedback about it (in case reducers fail to fetch) to the JobTracker. That is, the killing of maps is not based on the number of times the attempt to fetch failed, but instead dependent on the time the map will take to run if reexecuted. 3) For example, if a map takes 30 minutes to run, and the fetch for the corresponding output fails, a reduce postpones giving the feedback to the JobTracker until it has tried for 15 minutes or so (exponential backoff within this time interval). In other words, we increase the number of retries for long running maps just so that we might be successful in fetching probabilistically. The time a reduce spends retrying is directly proportional to the time the map took to complete.
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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment -

        Runping, it doesn't get to 10 minutes until it has failed 5 times. And it can easily take 10 minutes to clear a backlog off of a task tracker that is getting slammed. I certainly have seen jobs that longer than that to work off the backlog. I still maintain that a simple exponential back off is the right approach, because there are a lot of things that could have caused the slow down.

        Devaraj, please don't change the failure notification policy in this same bug. If it needs to be changed, it should be a different issue. Just changing the default number of retries in this issue is ok, but I don't think we should change the policy for that in this issue. Furthermore, if we do change the policy, I'd argue for something much more direct and say that if a tracker is black listed for a job, the number of retries should be cut in half or something.

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        owen.omalley Owen O'Malley added a comment - Runping, it doesn't get to 10 minutes until it has failed 5 times. And it can easily take 10 minutes to clear a backlog off of a task tracker that is getting slammed. I certainly have seen jobs that longer than that to work off the backlog. I still maintain that a simple exponential back off is the right approach, because there are a lot of things that could have caused the slow down. Devaraj, please don't change the failure notification policy in this same bug. If it needs to be changed, it should be a different issue. Just changing the default number of retries in this issue is ok, but I don't think we should change the policy for that in this issue. Furthermore, if we do change the policy, I'd argue for something much more direct and say that if a tracker is black listed for a job, the number of retries should be cut in half or something.
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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment -

        Consider the following strategy :

        backoff (t) = backoff-init * backoff-base^{t-1}
           t = number of retries
           backoff-init = 4 sec
           backoff-base = 2
           max-t = 5
        

        So now the backoff intervals are 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, sum = 252 = 4.2 min after which the notification is sent to the jobtracker from the reduce. So 6 retries are made before sending the notification.

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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment - Consider the following strategy : backoff (t) = backoff-init * backoff-base^{t-1} t = number of retries backoff-init = 4 sec backoff-base = 2 max-t = 5 So now the backoff intervals are 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 , sum = 252 = 4.2 min after which the notification is sent to the jobtracker from the reduce. So 6 retries are made before sending the notification.
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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment -

        Submitting a patch which implements the strategy discussed above. The way it works is as follows :
        1. On the first failed attempt the copy is backed off by backoff_init, currently set to 4 sec
        2. For subsequent failures the map output copy is backed off by backoff_init * backoff_basenum_retries-1, backoff_base currently set to 2.
        3. Backoff continues until the total time spent on the copy is less than max_backoff which is user configurable using mapred.reduce.copy.backoff.
        i.e backoff(1) + backoff(2) + .... backoff(max_retries) ~ max_backoff, default max_backoff is set to 300 (5 min)
        4. After a total of max_backoff time the job tracker is notified.
        5. This cycle continues for every new map on the host since num_retries is for a particular map.

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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment - Submitting a patch which implements the strategy discussed above. The way it works is as follows : 1. On the first failed attempt the copy is backed off by backoff_init , currently set to 4 sec 2. For subsequent failures the map output copy is backed off by backoff_init * backoff_base num_retries-1 , backoff_base currently set to 2 . 3. Backoff continues until the total time spent on the copy is less than max_backoff which is user configurable using mapred.reduce.copy.backoff . i.e backoff(1) + backoff(2) + .... backoff(max_retries) ~ max_backoff , default max_backoff is set to 300 (5 min) 4. After a total of max_backoff time the job tracker is notified. 5. This cycle continues for every new map on the host since num_retries is for a particular map.
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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment -

        Taking into consideration Devaraj's comment, mapred.reduce.copy.backoff is now added to hadoop-default.xml.

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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment - Taking into consideration Devaraj's comment, mapred.reduce.copy.backoff is now added to hadoop-default.xml .
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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment -

        +1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment
        http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12369866/HADOOP-1984-simple.patch
        against trunk revision r596495.

        @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags.

        javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages.

        javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings.

        findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings.

        core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests.

        contrib tests +1. The patch passed contrib unit tests.

        Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/testReport/
        Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html
        Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html
        Console output: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/console

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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment - +1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12369866/HADOOP-1984-simple.patch against trunk revision r596495. @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags. javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages. javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings. findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings. core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests. contrib tests +1. The patch passed contrib unit tests. Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/testReport/ Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html Console output: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1126/console This message is automatically generated.
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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment -

        Amar, some comments:

        • Please specify the 'unit' (seconds) for mapred.reduce.copy.backoff in hadoop-default.xml.
        • I suggest we use integer arithmetic where possible:
          +                long currentBackOff = 
          +                        BACKOFF_INIT 
          +                        * (long)Math.pow(BACKOFF_EXPONENTIAL_BASE, 
          +                                         noFailedFetches.intValue() - 1);
          

        is actually:

        +                long currentBackOff = (1 << (noFailedFetches.intValue() + 1));
        

        given that the base is hard-coded as 2. It keeps things more readable and easier to maintain.

        I'm pretty sure we can do this to calculate maxFetchRetriesPerMap too...

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        acmurthy Arun C Murthy added a comment - Amar, some comments: Please specify the 'unit' (seconds) for mapred.reduce.copy.backoff in hadoop-default.xml. I suggest we use integer arithmetic where possible: + long currentBackOff = + BACKOFF_INIT + * (long)Math.pow(BACKOFF_EXPONENTIAL_BASE, + noFailedFetches.intValue() - 1); is actually: + long currentBackOff = (1 << (noFailedFetches.intValue() + 1)); given that the base is hard-coded as 2. It keeps things more readable and easier to maintain. I'm pretty sure we can do this to calculate maxFetchRetriesPerMap too...
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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment -

        Taking into consideration Arun's comment, hard coding the computations for base=2. The way it works now is as follows
        1. the first notification is sent to the jobtracker after max-backoff time. The backoff values are (4, 8, 16, 32 ..... k) such that 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 .... k ~ max-backoff, max-backoff can be set using mapred.reduce.copy.backoff [default is 300 sec].
        2. subsequent notifications are also sent after max-backoff time but the backoff values now are (max-backoff/2, max-backoff/2) , i.e 2 retries
        3. at the max the reducer waits for 3 * max-backoff before the maps get re-executed.
        Comments ?

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        amar_kamat Amar Kamat added a comment - Taking into consideration Arun's comment, hard coding the computations for base=2. The way it works now is as follows 1. the first notification is sent to the jobtracker after max-backoff time. The backoff values are ( 4, 8, 16, 32 ..... k ) such that 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 .... k ~ max-backoff , max-backoff can be set using mapred.reduce.copy.backoff [default is 300 sec] . 2. subsequent notifications are also sent after max-backoff time but the backoff values now are ( max-backoff/2, max-backoff/2 ) , i.e 2 retries 3. at the max the reducer waits for 3 * max-backoff before the maps get re-executed. Comments ?
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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment -

        +1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment
        http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12370217/HADOOP-1984-simple.patch
        against trunk revision r598152.

        @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags.

        javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages.

        javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings.

        findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings.

        core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests.

        contrib tests +1. The patch passed contrib unit tests.

        Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/testReport/
        Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html
        Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html
        Console output: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/console

        This message is automatically generated.

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        hadoopqa Hadoop QA added a comment - +1 overall. Here are the results of testing the latest attachment http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12370217/HADOOP-1984-simple.patch against trunk revision r598152. @author +1. The patch does not contain any @author tags. javadoc +1. The javadoc tool did not generate any warning messages. javac +1. The applied patch does not generate any new compiler warnings. findbugs +1. The patch does not introduce any new Findbugs warnings. core tests +1. The patch passed core unit tests. contrib tests +1. The patch passed contrib unit tests. Test results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/testReport/ Findbugs warnings: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/artifact/trunk/build/test/findbugs/newPatchFindbugsWarnings.html Checkstyle results: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/artifact/trunk/build/test/checkstyle-errors.html Console output: http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Patch/1164/console This message is automatically generated.
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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment -

        I just committed this. Thanks, Amar!

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        devaraj Devaraj Das added a comment - I just committed this. Thanks, Amar!
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        hudson Hudson added a comment -
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        hudson Hudson added a comment - Integrated in Hadoop-Nightly #317 (See http://lucene.zones.apache.org:8080/hudson/job/Hadoop-Nightly/317/ )

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            runping Runping Qi
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